Quincy Center Redevelopment

Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

Quincy has 93,027 people. It's the 8th most populated city in the state. What's the evidence the city's having trouble attracting young families?
 
Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

Quincy has 93,027 people. It's the 8th most populated city in the state. What's the evidence the city's having trouble attracting young families?

Uground -- Lexington Schools are bursting at the seems despite very meager growth in overall population

Lexington attracts young families because they are told [fairly accurately] that move to Lexington, pay a lot for your house and then a lot more in taxes in a good school's sphere of influence [K-5]. Then when your kids are getting toward HS age -- move to a bigger, more expensive house commensurate with your much more important position -- pay a lot more in taxes. Finally, about 20 years after you arrived in Lexington -- the kids go off to Ivy, Stanford, or MIT and you can then downsize, move to a townhouse [growing number], or you can move to the city -- in any event you will have made a bunch of $ on the sale of your house.

The process then begins once again -- I don't think that logic applies to Quincy
 
Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

Lexington attracts young families because they are told [fairly accurately] that move to Lexington, pay a lot for your house and then a lot more in taxes in a good school's sphere of influence [K-5]. Then when your kids are getting toward HS age -- move to a bigger, more expensive house commensurate with your much more important position -- pay a lot more in taxes. Finally, about 20 years after you arrived in Lexington -- the kids go off to Ivy, Stanford, or MIT and you can then downsize, move to a townhouse [growing number], or you can move to the city -- in any event you will have made a bunch of $ on the sale of your house.

Yeesh. Thats so much work. I think I'll just send my future kids to private school .
 
Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

Nice on the Lexington timeline, but when does your entire wardrobe turn into polo shirts and khaki's?
 
Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

Nice on the Lexington timeline, but when does your entire wardrobe turn into polo shirts and khaki's?

uground -- only on the weekends

In Lexington we still practice a sense of decorum on working days
 
Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

Lexington on weekdays:
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Lexington on weekends:
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Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

this whole thing is just all kinds of disheartening, I think the original proposal for this site held some real promise, and some much needed improvements to QC.
 
Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

this whole thing is just all kinds of disheartening, I think the original proposal for this site held some real promise, and some much needed improvements to QC.

Quincy is just a slightly upscale version of Lynn with the Red Line & the Adams Family

Ever since the Shipyard closed -- You've got to find a fairly good reason to want to spend a $1B on Quincy
 
Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

Downtown Quincy project may go private
Officials hope to restart stalled work on Merchants Row


Amid rising investor concerns, Quincy officials are trying to get the stalled downtown revitalization moving again by giving private developers complete control of the project’s first phase.

The redevelopment has been halted since November, when construction work on Merchants Row — a block contained within Hancock Street, Cottage Avenue, and Chestnut Street – became too costly to continue.

Negotiations officially began this week to kickstart that piece of the $1.6 billion Quincy Center redevelopment project. The process is expected to end the city’s involvement with Merchants Row, as well as divorce Merchants Row’s investors from Street-Works Development LLC, the master developer for the overall project.

“In the context of the master plan, [a private development] fits, but it would be a private development within the program,” Quincy Mayor Thomas Koch said.

The change would be a significant departure for the overall project, which was envisioned as a private/public partnership for a massive mixed-use downtown development.

If Street-Works is no longer part of Merchants Row, investors Quincy Mutual Group and LaSalle Investment Management would oversee the work, along with real estate developer Twining Properties, which was brought on board last year.

Officials from Twining and LaSalle did not return calls for comment, but Quincy Mutual executive president Jim Moran said progress on Merchants Row is contingent on Street-Works stepping aside.

“It has become painfully obvious to Quincy Mutual that Street-Works Development has neither the financial resources nor execution competencies as a developer to successfully build Merchant’s Row Quincy,” Moran said in a phone interview. “Merchant’s Row Quincy, as designed and developed to date by Street-Works, is a failure. In its present state, it is not an economically viable project to build.”

While Street-Works has retained legal ownership of the block over the last several months, the developer last year turned over design control to Twining.

Street-Works cofounder Ken Narva would not respond to Moran’s comments about the developer. But he said Twining initially was brought on board so that Street-Works could better focus on future phases of redevelopment. Stepping aside entirely from Merchants Row – also called “Block 4” - is merely a way to free the block from the confines of the redevelopment’s overriding contract, known as the Land Disposition Agreement, he said.

“To make Block 4 more financially possible, given what’s done, the goal was to remove Block 4 from the LDA . . . To do that, Street-Works had to remove itself even from that partnership. That’s what we’re doing,” Narva said.

Moran also said that the project is economically feasible only if it is constructed, owned, and operated with private money. Developers then would not be bound by provisions of the overriding contract, which requires that 80 percent of the trades work be completed by union labor with prevailing wages.

Rising construction costs have halted any tangible progress at Merchants Row since November. Moran said bids put out for Merchants Row, requiring 100 percent union labor for construction, were $10 million over budget.

Since then, Quincy Center has been left with a hole in the ground while developers have been redesigning the block. Street-Works developers also said that they were working on proposals to change the Land Disposition Agreement to make the entire project more cost-effective. Those proposals eventually will be brought to the City Council for approval.

Removing Merchants Row from the contract also means the developers wouldn’t receive any reimbursement from the city.

The revision would be a financial boon for Quincy, Koch said, because the city would not have to use tax revenue to pay off loans for the purchases.

The mayor said he remained confident the revitalization will move forward.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...may-private/5RIhQ1T5lOhRocxR1dKarO/story.html
 
Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

Hope this idea manages to get something going. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much blame do you think we can place on Street Works for the lack of progress?
 
Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

Street-Works out of $1.6B downtown Quincy redevelopment
Mar 13, 2014
Thomas Grillo
Real Estate Editor
Boston Business Journal


With one week remaining on a 30-day deadline set by Quincy Mayor Thomas Koch for a developer to jump start construction of the $1.6 billion public-private investment that was supposed to revitalize the city’s downtown, the Street-Works development team is withdrawing from the project.

In a full page that appeared today in The Patriot Ledger, Street-Works Development LLC said it concluded that financing and building new construction in Quincy Center is “impossible” today.

“Specifically, the existing (development) agreement contains prohibitive conditions relating to project cost. This, combined with rapidly escalating construction costs, has brought progress to a halt,” the ad said.

“While we at Street-Works cannot presently foresee how these obstacles will resolve, we are grateful to you and to the people of Quincy for generously sharing with us your wonderful city, its proud history, and your hopes and dreams for a great downtown,” according to the ad. “We have worked passionately with you shoulder to shoulder for the better part of ten years. In that time, we have spent untold time and personal resources in pursuit of our shared vision, and we can say without qualification that we have grown from the experience.”

Last month Koch gave White Plains, N.Y.-based Street-Works, the project’s master developer, 30 days to commence the next phase of the stalled redevelopment or else they would be removed from the project. An agreement between the developer and the city says if the company defaults, Quincy can terminate the agreement.

For years, the city has championed the project that was to include a pair of 20-story high-rise office buildings and 3.5 million square feet of new development on a 50-acre parcel in the downtown. The project promised 700,000 square feet of retail, more than 1 million square feet of office space, 1,200 apartments and condominiums, two hotels, a cinema, and classrooms for Quincy College. There were also plans for 30 restaurants and an expanded park in front of City Hall.

The development has been funded by investments from Quincy Mutual Fire Insurance and developers Boston-based The Beal Cos. and Street-Works. But last summer, Twining Properties, a New York City real estate firm, replaced Beal as a partner without any public explanation. In addition, the plan for twin towers was scrapped in favor of a smaller wood-framed building.

Kenneth Narva, Street-Works’ managing partner, and Richard Heaps, the company’s co-founding partner, could not be reached for comment.

A Koch spokesman declined comment.



http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/real_estate/2014/03/street-works-out-of-1-6b-downtown-quincy.html
 
Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

Well, Quincy just (re)learned the dangers of massive urban renewal. Hopefully they will attempt to get multiple developers to restart the project.

On a positive note, since I always try to find one, with the site prepped and permits in place it might entice some locals to jump in. It is a good opportunity, it just seems like streetworks bit off WAY more than they could chew. Part of me is glad they are out, since the revised plan was crap compared to the original.
 
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Sad for Quincy. I had high hopes for this project.

Makes me nervous for Union Square. I understand the desire for a unified plan, but there is a great risk of a single developer taking on too much at once. Hopefully the city of Somerville sets realistic terms and has the master developer bite off small chunks at a time.
 
Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

Quincy, specifically North Quincy, should be ripe with some developments and housing. You have multiple stops on the red line, the Expressway right there and it's very close to Boston with cheaper rents than say South Boston.

There's a large empty parcel of land, it used to be a warehouse of some sort that was demolished in 2012, that is sitting within a 2-3 minute walk of North Quincy station that I am surprised has not been, or is not going to be developed into condos. North Quincy is dense enough where one could easily walk to the T, or Stop and Shop, or the cluster of bars and restaurants.
 
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Unfortunately this is yet another false start for Quincy revitalization but it's probably better to start over at this point than to go with the backpedaling and downsizing that Street Works was proposing as an alternative to the original plan.

Quincy is so ripe to become a viable and affordable little sister to Boston, it has so much potential.
 
Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

Unfortunately this is yet another false start for Quincy revitalization but it's probably better to start over at this point than to go with the backpedaling and downsizing that Street Works was proposing as an alternative to the original plan.

Quincy is so ripe to become a viable and affordable little sister to Boston, it has so much potential.

Potential is the perfect word for Quincy Center, and yes they should basically start over.

Only downside is traffic problems, but its not Quincy's fault that everyone cuts through quincy to avoid I-93.
 
Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

Quincy officials see new project jumpstarting downtown redevelopment

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2014/11/18/quincy-officials-see-new-project-jumpstarting.html

The first component of the work will be a $100 million retail and 400-unit apartment project financed by Quincy Mutual Fire Insurance and Gate Residential Properties. Groundbreaking on a 169-unit apartment building is planned for early 2015 with construction complete in 2016. The six-story building is set to have 12,000 square feet of commercial and retail space.

A 220-unit second building, also with retail space, is set to follow.
 
Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

Piecemeal development should lead to a better overall redevelopment although it may take longer. It's great to see city leaders moving forward regardless of the setbacks. Big plans fall harder.
 
Re: $1 billion development proposed to reshape downtown Quincy

Not the same project (at Quincy Adams, not Q Ctr) but dont feel its necessary for a separate thread... YET...
http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/r...-to-get-180-unit-apartment-building-near.html
https://www.firstniagara.com/About_Us/Newsroom/First_Niagara_Provides_$34_Million_Residential_Development_Loan_at_Quincy_Adams_T_Stop.aspx

Zero Penn will consist of a six-story structure in which residents will have access to a ground-level, 180-space parking garage, a spacious clubhouse with a recreation room, card parlor, theater, and fitness center, in addition to two spacious courtyards, with a pool.

Zero Penn will include a mix of 34 studio apartments, 96 one-bedroom units, and 50 two-bedroom units with an average unit size of 874 square feet. Each unit will feature 9-foot ceilings, hardwood floors, granite countertops, and other luxury design features.

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