The Harlo (née Skanska Fenway Project (Burger King))| 1350 Boylston Street | Fenway

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In my opinion, it's crazy that the neighborhood association is the definitive voice for the neighborhood. I live in the Fenway close by and love the proposal as is. Boylston street has a different feel than the area bordered by Boylston and Park Drive so the building can be higher. I guess it's always the naysayers who speak the loudest.
 
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Isn't the building next door 12 stories, and then there is a 22 story proposal across the street and another 22 stories (with as of right zoning) for the "point" down the street.

I have to agree with whoever it is that called zoning rules arbitrary.
 
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So, based on the zoning limits that were discussed in great detail on prior pages, will Skanska be able to get an exception? Seems like a big gap between 115' and 195'.
 
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I'm hoping they will settle on 150 or 160 something, with the stipulation that something covers up the party wall of 1330.

Which is a shame, because the design is really good.
 
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Menino on Fenway project: ‘Not my fault if they overpaid’

Kind of a dick thing to say about a developer ready to spend a lot of money on improving the city. Guess they didn't kiss his ring often enough.
Hopefully Menino is the last of this tribal type of insular politician. Not betting on it though, Boston Democrat inbreeding runs very deep.
 
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Neighborhood activists are usually annoying but I don't dismiss their concerns in this case out of hand b/c they seem to have made peace with large residential developments along Boylston Street. Only concern they have here is the height which seems reasonable. Samuels is putting up taller developments across the street with little resistance.
 
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The building will be there long after most of these activists move out or die and everyone who comes after it's built won't think anything of it because to them, it will have always been there. 18 stories is not drastically taller than any of the other new buildings along Boylston.
 
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Their mistake wasn't over paying. It was not realizing that only Menino's friends are allowed to build over the zoned height. Or maybe their campaign check got lost in the mail?
 
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So, based on the zoning limits that were discussed in great detail on prior pages, will Skanska be able to get an exception? Seems like a big gap between 115' and 195'.

I'm not getting the heated push back from the neighbors. 1282 Boylston (which just broke ground) and is on the same, South, side of Boylston will have a tower (East Tower) that will be 178' plus mechanical (16 floors plus mechanical). That seems very close to the 195' Skanska is proposing. Is it because it's not Abbey or Samuels that the neighbors/mayor are so hot under the collar? They don't want to give the new guys, from out of town, a break.
 
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Just shows that even Mumbles believes everything in this City runs through him. It's not MY fault....

Ultimately, it should have very little to do with you Mr. Mayor, but the appointed officials on your hand picked panel. You just add your two cents to make you seem A. a good neighborhood loving nice guy mayor, and B. to remind everyone you're King $hit around here. (And, yes since they are your hand picked appointed officials it has everything to do with you, but you have built in protection that you choose to not hide behind.)
 
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I'm not getting the heated push back from the neighbors. 1282 Boylston (which just broke ground) and is on the same, South, side of Boylston will have a tower (East Tower) that will be 178' plus mechanical (16 floors plus mechanical). That seems very close to the 195' Skanska is proposing. Is it because it's not Abbey or Samuels that the neighbors/mayor are so hot under the collar? They don't want to give the new guys, from out of town, a break.

According to someone I've spoken with who's been an active member in Fenway community planning for the last 15+ years, the "heated push back from the neighbors" has more to do with Skanska's blatant ignorance of the community-approved plan they came up with 9 years ago (or however long ago it was).

Fenway residents wanted the flatiron parcel--D'Angelo's--to be the tallest gateway for the Fenway neighborhood. That's why everyone is ultimately pleased with the massing for Samuels' The Point proposal. With 1282, the neighborhood was happy to grant Abbey Group the additional height for that parcel because Abbey included a very generous amount of community space with that project.

Unless Skanska makes some sort of big concession to the neighborhood, they will be persistent that 1350 adheres to the desired height restrictions. Or at the very least they would like it to be short enough that it doesn't detract from the gateway nature of "The Point" parcel.
 
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What kind of concessions could Skanska give to appease the locals? They are Swedish, so perhaps an IKEA or maybe some meatballs. However, I doubt anyone would want the nasty cod roe paste that comes in a toothpaste tube.

Unless Skanska makes some sort of big concession to the neighborhood, they will be persistent that 1350 adheres to the desired height restrictions. Or at the very least they would like it to be short enough that it doesn't detract from the gateway nature of "The Point" parcel.
 
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Swedish...Bikini...Team. So '80s. Imagine all of that unfolding at the next community meeting?
 
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Let me introduce you to Mr Ed Burke ...

The building will be there long after most of these activists
move out or die and everyone who comes after it's built won't think anything of it because to them, it will have always been there. 18 stories is not drastically taller than any of the other new buildings along Boylston.
 
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Here's as good a place as any to post this column from today's Boston Globe.

An unpredictable mayor when it comes to zoning
By Paul McMorrow, Boston Globe

Zoning in Boston is sacrosanct — except that it usually isn’t. It isn’t the city’s job to make a developer’s bottom line work — but for the right developer, the city will put millions of dollars on the table. If that’s confusing to read, imagine being a real-estate developer and living it every day.

There aren’t many rules governing Boston development. There’s the stuff that municipal lawyers put to paper, the stuff that regulates building height and density and form and a thousand other little details, but those details aren’t all that important. Most of what the city lawyers have to say about how development in Boston should work is just white noise. The real rules rest with Tom Menino, the man who has ruled over the mayor’s office for the past two decades.

The wide latitude Menino leaves himself comes in handy when City Hall needs to leap to the rescue of an important project, overcome some needlessly stiff neighborhood opposition, or punish a particularly rapacious builder. But, as a flare-up in the Fenway showed last week, when one man inside City Hall sets the rules, there really are no rules. The rules only exist in the mayor’s head, and they seem to change day to day.

Boylston Street in the Fenway is currently in the midst of an epic building boom. New office buildings, scores of apartments, and retailers like Wegmans and Target are poised to completely remake the street and its relationship to the larger city. This stretch of Boylston was once a backwater dotted with gas stations, garages, and fast-food restaurants; it looked like it belonged on an unloved commercial strip in the suburbs, not around the corner from Fenway Park.

The old Boylston is disappearing because of a collective effort between Fenway residents, the city, and private developers. Residents supported an increase in zoning heights along Boylston because new mid-rise and high-rise buildings have helped create neighborhood amenities like new shops and restaurants, and attractive, walkable streets.

Skanska Development wants to do what developers up and down Boylston have been doing. The company wants to tear down a one-story Burger King and replace it with 240 apartments. And for this, the company caught a sharp elbow to the face last week, courtesy of Boston’s mayor.

Skanska’s Burger King project has raised some eyebrows in the Fenway because its proposed 18-story apartment tower is a few stories taller than neighborhood zoning guidelines call for. The mayor made it clear that he sees this as a problem. “It’s not my fault they paid a lot of money for the site,” Menino told the Boston Business Journal. “They knew the zoning rules when they bought it and they have to work within those rules.”

No one should have assumed, as Menino seems to have, that the Fenway’s zoning was written in stone. Boston normally treats zoned heights as a starting point in negotiations, not an absolute end. The Fenway’s zoning was enacted years before Menino announced his goal of adding 30,000 new housing units by 2020 — a goal that will be impossible to hit without meaningful upzoning outside the downtown core. Skanska is proposing an urban solution for a suburban-style space on a street full of significantly sized buildings. It wants to build across the street from a pair of 20-plus story towers that will contain nearly 900 apartments.

For Menino, saying “It’s not my fault” means that City Hall won’t use its regulatory pull to make a development’s economics line up. He’s struck the same pose when showing antipathy toward developers like the Chiofaro Co. (would-be developers of the wretched Harbor Garage) and Vornado Realty Trust (former owners of the Filene’s pit). The problem is, there’s no truth behind the pose.

Menino sweetens the pot on developments all the time, when friendly builders are involved. He’s handed out tax breaks to State Street Bank, Vertex Pharmaceuticals, and Liberty Mutual — mega-projects that didn’t really need millions of dollars trimmed off their tax bills. The day after swatting at Skanska, his administration defended a plan to grant tax breaks to the new Filene’s developer — something the mayor refused to do when Vornado owned the site. One day, Menino is laying both thumbs on the scale; the other, he’s refusing to touch it. It’s maddeningly arbitrary, and it’s the way Boston has built for the past two decades.
 
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Here's as good a place as any to post this column from today's Boston Globe.

An unpredictable mayor when it comes to zoning
By Paul McMorrow, Boston Globe

^ What a cock tease that piece is. I'm glad that someone's saying it, but you could have a featured column for the next year and still not cover all the messed up development politics in this city.

This comment is pretty funny though:
HarryRPits said:
It's not that arbitrary really. Kiss Mumbles Menino's substantial bottom, come across with some dough, make sure that Suffolk Construction gets the main contract, and all your problems magically go away.
 
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This project will be discussed in the next BRA meeting on Thursday:

"Request authorization to issue a Scoping Determination waiving the requirement of the further review pursuant to Section 80B- 5.3(d) of the Zoning Code for the construction of 215 residential rental units with 105 parking spaces located at 1350 Boylston Street; and, to take all related actions."

Not sure I understand what that means.. is this a vote to allow this project to go the full 18 stories?
 
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The 18 story plan specified 240 units, although the parking figure is the same...
 

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