The Hub on Causeway (née TD Garden Towers) | 80 Causeway Street | West End

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The new Central Place in Sydney Australia is very un-boxy, and would have looked great at North Station. I like the base that was built along Causeway Street, but would have liked towers like these (instead of the two towers built plus the Avalon). Note: I horizontally flipped the image to better fit the positioning of the three towers at North Station.

Personally, I would've preferred a soaring Art Deco style at North Station. Art Deco is what made me as a child awestruck by North Station. The subliminal reaching for the heavens affects that the old North Station, Madison Hotel and Garden presented to the world was an optimism that was anathema to old Boston at the time.

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Glass buildings, whether boxy or curved, certainly have their place in the varied buffet of interesting cities, but when they predominate, it just becomes boring. This would've been the perfect place for two towers with Chrylser Building type tops. And the new South Station Tower (originally a spire top) could have been a beautiful bookend situation. Instead, we'll be left with the same old Boston slab crew cuts.

The American architecture of the 1920's and 1930's used to exude an optimism of the future progressive world. Today, sadly, aims to a lower bar.
 
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The new Central Place in Sydney Australia is very un-boxy, and would have looked great at North Station. I like the base that was built along Causeway Street, but would have liked towers like these (instead of the two towers built plus the Avalon). Note: I horizontally flipped the image to better fit the positioning of the three towers at North Station.
Charlie -- how do the Sydney towers in Central Place compare to the North Station development in Boston vis a vis footprint for the floors and total floor area?
It's not all about just how a building looks or even how it scales by one dimension -- today there are a lot of parameters involved in the spec
for example the recent filing by Related Beal in Kenmore Sq -- changing one of two office buildings under construction beneath the Citgo Sign into a lab and having to increase the non-rentable support spaces for air handling and materials delivery
 

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Charlie -- how do the Sydney towers in Central Place compare to the North Station development in Boston vis a vis footprint for the floors and total floor area?
It's not all about just how a building looks or even how it scales by one dimension -- today there are a lot of parameters involved in the spec
for example the recent filing by Related Beal in Kenmore Sq -- changing one of two office buildings under construction beneath the Citgo Sign into a lab and having to increase the non-rentable support spaces for air handling and materials delivery
The towers in Sydney's Central Place are probably larger, but something along those lines, scaled back as needed, could have fit nicely at North Station. I was pointing more to the style rather than an exact replica.
 

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Personally, I would've preferred a soaring Art Deco style at North Station. Art Deco is what made me as a child awestruck by North Station. The subliminal reaching for the heavens affects that the old North Station, Madison Hotel and Garden presented to the world was an optimism that was anathema to old Boston at the time.

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Art Deco towers were proposed years ago the spire was gold leaf
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Yea, major bullet dodged there. Instead of new york city, new york.. what we would have gotten at hub on causeway would have been more like new york-new york, las vegas.
That proposal was way less shitty than the “fat file-cabinet with a scorching case of herpes” that we wound up actually getting.
 

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We can take 500 Boylston as a PoMo consolation prize.
And to think, this one was supposed to have a twin!

(I actually don't mind 500 Boylston though, I kind of dig the cheesy columned courtyard. They haven't capped that over yet like they were discussing a few years ago, right?)
 

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What's funny looking at those early renderings is that it reframes the Garden in a PoMo light. That light tower, especially. I remember seeing some early concept drawings for the arena at one point that were way different (externally) than what got built, I gotta try to find those again.
 

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And to think, this one was supposed to have a twin!

(I actually don't mind 500 Boylston though, I kind of dig the cheesy columned courtyard. They haven't capped that over yet like they were discussing a few years ago, right?)
The BPDA website has nothing on the project since 2015, when the BCDC voted for the design. Curiously, the Boston Business Journal has an article saying construction started on the renovation just about 3 weeks ago. It's behind a paywall for me, but here's the link: https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/...m-renovation-the-columns-at-500-boylston.html

Based on the render they include, it appears it is only cosmetic upgrades being done now.
 

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This discussion doesn't really belong here, but the project has started and the columns are coming down. From the BBJ on January 29, 2021:
https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2021/01/29/boston/bio/26231/Catherine+Carlock
The iconic, soaring multistory columns outside 500 Boylston St. in Boston’s Back Bay are coming down.

Construction work has begun on a $10 million renovation of the building’s open-air plaza, with landlord Oxford Properties Group planning to bring down the numerous multistory columns in front of the building and further open the courtyard to pedestrians.

Oxford plans to lease space surrounding the courtyard to retail and restaurant tenants. The courtyard could house outdoor seating for bars or restaurants
 

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And to think, this one was supposed to have a twin!

(I actually don't mind 500 Boylston though, I kind of dig the cheesy columned courtyard. They haven't capped that over yet like they were discussing a few years ago, right?)
I very much like 500 Boylston, too.
 

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I very much like 500 Boylston, too.
I'm an 80s kid and a overall sucker for PoMo though. I love the Lipstick Building in NYC and Houston's TC Energy Center (or Nations Bank Center as I remember it). Watching One International Place go up sparked my interest in skyscrapers.

Where PoMo worked well in the first place, it's aged equally well. I'm not sure what we're calling the glass-box-with-Lego-protrusions style of 80 Causeway, but I wouldn't bet on this look aging all that well.
 

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I'm an 80s kid and a overall sucker for PoMo though. I love the Lipstick Building in NYC and Houston's TC Energy Center (or Nations Bank Center as I remember it). Watching One International Place go up sparked my interest in skyscrapers.

Where PoMo worked well in the first place, it's aged equally well. I'm not sure what we're calling the glass-box-with-Lego-protrusions style of 80 Causeway, but I wouldn't bet on this look aging all that well.
Sorry -- I can't agree with that: Johnson's stuff [charitably] wasn't any good when it was fresh and it hasn't aged any better than the hammered concrete of Paul Rudolph

The best that can be said of "Johnstrosities"

There was a controlled demolition of the old Travelers Insurance Building to make way for 125 High Street [1991 completion]
I was watching from right next to the Federal Reserve Bank. When the dust cloud dissipated and International Place reappeared someone right behind me shouted: "They screed-up -- they dynamited the wrong building"
Robert Campbell of the Globe said of International Place's sheathing and windows -- Johnson must have had an affair with a Palladian Window salesman
in a slightly more polite vein Campbell wrote an obit for Johnson in 2005:
Philip Johnson, 98, ever-evolving dean of architects
By Robert Campbell, Globe Correspondent | January 27, 2005
To give his corporate clients the unique ''signature" look they wanted, Mr. Johnson began milking architectural history for a variety of styles....
An example is Boston's International Place, a cluster of towers partly sheathed in an endless pattern of Renaissance-style ''Palladian" windows. It is one of three Mr. Johnson works in Boston: the others are an addition to the Boston Public Library, which the architect himself came to dislike; and an office and retail complex at 500 Boylston St. in the Back Bay.
An example is Boston's International Place, a cluster of towers partly sheathed in an endless pattern of Renaissance-style ''Palladian" windows. It is one of three Mr. Johnson works in Boston: the others are an addition to the Boston Public Library, which the architect himself came to dislike; and an office and retail complex at 500 Boylston St. in the Back Bay.
Beyond the endless sheet of Palladian windows -- Johnson shamelessly rip-offed the magnificent bracket lamps of McKim from the BPL which showed up not just in International Place but also 500 Boylston


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Title: Dartmouth St. Facade with wrought iron lamps and grillwork in place, McKim building
Description: Arched doorways with wrought iron gates and lamps.

Both of the above BPL photos are from a series of photos held in the collection of the BPL Trustees involved with the construction of the Central Library ca. 1890-1895
Trustees' Library
Architect: McKim, Mead & White
Date: [ca. 1890–1895]
Format: Photographs
Genre: Photographic print
Location: Boston Public Library, Rare Books Department
 

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Sorry -- I can't agree with that: Johnson's stuff [charitably] wasn't any good when it was fresh and it hasn't aged any better than the hammered concrete of Paul Rudolph

The best that can be said of "Johnstrosities"

There was a controlled demolition of the old Travelers Insurance Building to make way for 125 High Street [1991 completion]
I was watching from right next to the Federal Reserve Bank. When the dust cloud dissipated and International Place reappeared someone right behind me shouted: "They screed-up -- they dynamited the wrong building"
Robert Campbell of the Globe said of International Place's sheathing and windows -- Johnson must have had an affair with a Palladian Window salesman
in a slightly more polite vein Campbell wrote an obit for Johnson in 2005:

Beyond the endless sheet of Palladian windows -- Johnson shamelessly rip-offed the magnificent bracket lamps of McKim from the BPL which showed up not just in International Place but also 500 Boylston


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Both of the above BPL photos are from a series of photos held in the collection of the BPL Trustees involved with the construction of the Central Library ca. 1890-1895
Trustees' Library
Architect: McKim, Mead & White
Date: [ca. 1890–1895]
Format: Photographs
Genre: Photographic print
Location: Boston Public Library, Rare Books Department
Where are the rip-off lamps? You don't mean these do you?
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