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Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive - Parcel C | Seaport
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
50 Liberty should have its own development thread. This thread should remain 22 Liberty only. Combo/master plan threads make it hard to find information when projects get buried among other ones.
50 Liberty should have its own development thread. This thread should remain 22 Liberty only. Combo/master plan threads make it hard to find information when projects get buried among other ones.
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
Sorry to any realtors or brokers who regular this site, but..... this article made me like Fallon a bit more.
My gosh, a developer left money on the table by excluding these brokers. Not that it's benefitting someone who doesn't have a ton of cash, but why does everyone need to get raped? He's making truckloads of money as it is. These brokers highlight the greed everyone always talks about.
Sorry to any realtors or brokers who regular this site, but..... this article made me like Fallon a bit more.
My gosh, a developer left money on the table by excluding these brokers. Not that it's benefitting someone who doesn't have a ton of cash, but why does everyone need to get raped? He's making truckloads of money as it is. These brokers highlight the greed everyone always talks about.
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
One of the major problems I have with Fan Pier development: Since the public basically gave this guy a good amount of money to get this development off the ground. Fallon is basically focusing the entire development to cater to Rich professionals in the area. There is nothing public being developed for anybody to actually explore this area.
High End Condos that are not even hitting the markets: Private sales, Strega, Empire, The entire waterfront will be Vertex along with Condo owners hanging in their waterfront-backyard. Nothing for the public
Why did the public invest on one of the most prime real estate pieces in Boston to only cater to a certain group. By the way VERTEX would have stayed in Cambridge so don't give me that Job creation bullshit.
Just backroom deals swindle job by Menino and Fallon.
I actually could deal with the backroom deals if this development Area was not so Primetime for Boston:
This is so wrong.
One of the major problems I have with Fan Pier development: Since the public basically gave this guy a good amount of money to get this development off the ground. Fallon is basically focusing the entire development to cater to Rich professionals in the area. There is nothing public being developed for anybody to actually explore this area.
High End Condos that are not even hitting the markets: Private sales, Strega, Empire, The entire waterfront will be Vertex along with Condo owners hanging in their waterfront-backyard. Nothing for the public
Why did the public invest on one of the most prime real estate pieces in Boston to only cater to a certain group. By the way VERTEX would have stayed in Cambridge so don't give me that Job creation bullshit.
Just backroom deals swindle job by Menino and Fallon.
I actually could deal with the backroom deals if this development Area was not so Primetime for Boston:
This is so wrong.
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
We need more housing units. Therefore, the city should be encouraging the development of new housing units. This is a prime spot for housing units. Therefore, this is a prime spot to encourage the development of more housing units. What's so wrong about that?
We need more housing units. Therefore, the city should be encouraging the development of new housing units. This is a prime spot for housing units. Therefore, this is a prime spot to encourage the development of more housing units. What's so wrong about that?
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
You see nothing for the public in this picture?
You see nothing for the public in this picture?
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
No I see a certain area for Vertex Employees along with the people that buy those condos to enjoy that private little area--- All catered to the RICH:
This entire area should have been Mixed Development of something BIG for everybody:
Condos, Retail, Possibly the casino
Maybe Relocate the Aquarium: Maybe a Perc from the developer for better zoning conditions
Maybe even baseball/Soccer field
Entertainment District:---
Instead we the taxpayers end up lower the costs of the development so Fallon could entice Vertex to relocate from Cambridge to the Seaport.
The Seaport Development should have been EPIC---Not a biotech company on the water that has the Kendall Square Model written all over it.
No I see a certain area for Vertex Employees along with the people that buy those condos to enjoy that private little area--- All catered to the RICH:
This entire area should have been Mixed Development of something BIG for everybody:
Condos, Retail, Possibly the casino
Maybe Relocate the Aquarium: Maybe a Perc from the developer for better zoning conditions
Maybe even baseball/Soccer field
Entertainment District:---
Instead we the taxpayers end up lower the costs of the development so Fallon could entice Vertex to relocate from Cambridge to the Seaport.
The Seaport Development should have been EPIC---Not a biotech company on the water that has the Kendall Square Model written all over it.
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
You can go to that park too, TheRifleman. It will be a public park.
You can go to that park too, TheRifleman. It will be a public park.
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
Com'on dude: For the location this development is in and how much at stake the taxpayers have done for this area:
This is what we get?
Make some private developer filthy rich without actually putting something amazing for the public on prime real-estate in the city with our money?
If this was another location I wouldn't say a word.
Com'on dude: For the location this development is in and how much at stake the taxpayers have done for this area:
This is what we get?
Make some private developer filthy rich without actually putting something amazing for the public on prime real-estate in the city with our money?
If this was another location I wouldn't say a word.
Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
A) That's a public park
b) The Aquarium was never interested nor was any serious Casino proposal
c) Density restricted by FAA height limits
d) Fan Pier, my definition, IS mixed use
No one is thrilled how the architecture and design of Fan Pier has turned/is turning out. But market forces are market forces. Rich people have purchasing power to buy high end condos with great views. Back room deal or not, something similar would have been built here regardless of developer.
A) That's a public park
b) The Aquarium was never interested nor was any serious Casino proposal
c) Density restricted by FAA height limits
d) Fan Pier, my definition, IS mixed use
No one is thrilled how the architecture and design of Fan Pier has turned/is turning out. But market forces are market forces. Rich people have purchasing power to buy high end condos with great views. Back room deal or not, something similar would have been built here regardless of developer.
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
What did we get?
109 much-needed residential units in a prime location where we need more residential units. To occupy those units we got actual living, breathing, tax-paying, working, shopping human beings living right in the core of Boston. Adjacent to those much-appreciated and needed residential units that the much-appreciated and needed residents occupy, we get a public park that is open for any and all to enjoy.
Such a travesty.
What did we get?
109 much-needed residential units in a prime location where we need more residential units. To occupy those units we got actual living, breathing, tax-paying, working, shopping human beings living right in the core of Boston. Adjacent to those much-appreciated and needed residential units that the much-appreciated and needed residents occupy, we get a public park that is open for any and all to enjoy.
Such a travesty.
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
Rifleman... it's a 1-acre public park. It's connected to the Harbor Walk. There are no guard gates. There are multiple access points for the public. This waterfront park will be visited by thousands of people--THOUSANDS--daily to take in the dramatic waterfront and skyline views, bask in the sunlight, swoon over the sunset, watch boats traverse the harbor waters, and during special events watch fireworks light up the harbor sky.
So yes... this is what we get. But hey: I would've preferred a wooden roller coaster or Dave & Buster's on the water, too. So I feel your pain. Those darn greedy developers... shame on them for only giving us peasants a green reprieve from city life.
Rifleman... it's a 1-acre public park. It's connected to the Harbor Walk. There are no guard gates. There are multiple access points for the public. This waterfront park will be visited by thousands of people--THOUSANDS--daily to take in the dramatic waterfront and skyline views, bask in the sunlight, swoon over the sunset, watch boats traverse the harbor waters, and during special events watch fireworks light up the harbor sky.
So yes... this is what we get. But hey: I would've preferred a wooden roller coaster or Dave & Buster's on the water, too. So I feel your pain. Those darn greedy developers... shame on them for only giving us peasants a green reprieve from city life.
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
REALLY---That is why the condos never really hit the market. Sold off already.
The entire city of Boston is rich people: So yes a developer could have come in and built unlimited amounts of units without Taxpayers help. The demand is here.
Look what the Filenes project top Condo could sell for 60Million?
Market forces: more like Political shitheads and terrible planning.
WAKE up. This could have been a destination spot for people in the city. Instead the location is a spot for the rich--scientists, Vertex employees, Condo owners.
Who the hell is going to go out of there way to take stroll around here--for what?
REALLY---That is why the condos never really hit the market. Sold off already.
The entire city of Boston is rich people: So yes a developer could have come in and built unlimited amounts of units without Taxpayers help. The demand is here.
Look what the Filenes project top Condo could sell for 60Million?
Market forces: more like Political shitheads and terrible planning.
WAKE up. This could have been a destination spot for people in the city. Instead the location is a spot for the rich--scientists, Vertex employees, Condo owners.
Who the hell is going to go out of there way to take stroll around here--for what?
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
The day it opens, I am going to walk 3 blocks to my local T station (Maverick), take it inbound 1 stop to Aquarium, and then go for a 10-minute stroll to Fan Pier Park... for leisure. I will take a selfie at Fan Pier Park and share it on this site. I invite you and all other forum members to join me.
The day it opens, I am going to walk 3 blocks to my local T station (Maverick), take it inbound 1 stop to Aquarium, and then go for a 10-minute stroll to Fan Pier Park... for leisure. I will take a selfie at Fan Pier Park and share it on this site. I invite you and all other forum members to join me.
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
I can tell you I will never check this area out-
Along with the other 2,000,000 people that are in this state.
I can tell you I will never check this area out-
Along with the other 2,000,000 people that are in this state.
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
Well Massachusetts has 6,745,000 people, so I'll just split the difference and count myself in the camp of 4,744,999 others that will check it out... plus the tourists.
This isn't 1890 anymore.
Well Massachusetts has 6,745,000 people, so I'll just split the difference and count myself in the camp of 4,744,999 others that will check it out... plus the tourists.
This isn't 1890 anymore.
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
Some serious over estimation of how much lab workers are making while youre filibustering. PI's maybe making somebucks, but the lab techs and many interns ain't rich by any stretch.
Rich executives in some of the office space sure.
This will be the first new park with some interesting water feature since the rings fountain opened. The tidal pool feature is at least new and interesting. This water front park will also be connected to the existing ankle breaking park next to 1MP, which will be open view wise to the seaport square park as well.
There will be quite a bit of open space for everyone here, and it won't be hidden and pseudo private as the ones at CRP appear to be. There's a subway stop right out front. Retail on all sides of the fan pier buildings with a soon to be 3 level mall with movie theaters literally right across the street from fan pier.
That doesn't sound too elitist or nothing to offer normal folks. On either side of fan pier are two of the best cultural stops in the city with the CM and the ICA. Plenty of folks heading to either will enjoy the new enhanced harborwalk. So, they won't really miss you being there.
All that said. It ain't perfect, but to say it's not mixed use is ricockulous.
Some serious over estimation of how much lab workers are making while youre filibustering. PI's maybe making somebucks, but the lab techs and many interns ain't rich by any stretch.
Rich executives in some of the office space sure.
This will be the first new park with some interesting water feature since the rings fountain opened. The tidal pool feature is at least new and interesting. This water front park will also be connected to the existing ankle breaking park next to 1MP, which will be open view wise to the seaport square park as well.
There will be quite a bit of open space for everyone here, and it won't be hidden and pseudo private as the ones at CRP appear to be. There's a subway stop right out front. Retail on all sides of the fan pier buildings with a soon to be 3 level mall with movie theaters literally right across the street from fan pier.
That doesn't sound too elitist or nothing to offer normal folks. On either side of fan pier are two of the best cultural stops in the city with the CM and the ICA. Plenty of folks heading to either will enjoy the new enhanced harborwalk. So, they won't really miss you being there.
All that said. It ain't perfect, but to say it's not mixed use is ricockulous.
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R&D guys make about $50k in Boston, Med and Cath Lab Techs can pull in about $80k. Kinda low for "rich", no?
R&D guys make about $50k in Boston, Med and Cath Lab Techs can pull in about $80k. Kinda low for "rich", no?
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Re: Twenty Two Liberty @ Fan Pier | 22 Liberty Drive | Seaport
And so what if they are rich? They are human beings that are revitalizing our city. This is a great development.
And so what if they are rich? They are human beings that are revitalizing our city. This is a great development.