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Buyers slow to move on new luxury condos

Friday, May 9, 2008
Boston Business Journal - by Lisa van der Pool

Handpicked white Italian marble, 2 1/2 baths, mahogany floors, a 60-foot-long balcony and views of Bunker Hill and the USS Constitution are a few of the luxurious amenities in a new penthouse condo at Battery Wharf.

The 1,814-square-foot unit's price tag: $2.5 million. So far, no one is enjoying that view.

"Volume is down -- but prices are relatively firm," said sales manager David Theran, of the property's sales activity. "We think it's going to pick up."

While sellers say that the luxury-condo market is near bullet-proof, sales data on high-end condos is showing a few holes.

Recent numbers reflect a decelerating market where even luxury condos aren't moving quickly. New construction projects, such as the one at Battery Wharf, have not yet sold out and have become vulnerable to location variables.

The luxury-market's weakness is largely due to a sales slide in mid-market luxury units, or those priced between $800,000 and $2 million, and the depressed real estate market in general, according to industry-watchers.

Boston's condo sales saw a 22 percent year-over-year drop in the first quarter, falling to 513 units from 660 units in 2007's corresponding period, according to Boston-based real estate firm Listing Information Network. Meanwhile, sales for condos priced from $1.75 million to $2 million have slipped over the last 12 months, with 27 condos selling from May 1, 2007, to April 30, 2008, down from 37 condos sold the previous year, according to the MLS Property Information Network.

Another concerning sign: inventory of condos priced between $700,000 and $3 million increased to 917 units as of April 30, up 3 percent from the 891 unsold condos in that bracket a year earlier.

At Battery Wharf, where some units were pre-sold before construction began in 2004, just under 60 percent of its 104 condo units are under agreement. Deposits for sold properties range from $100,000 to $200,000.

In recent days, about 20 units have closed and construction will be completed later this year.

Current prices range from $1.15 million to $2.98 million; condos that were listed above $2.98 million have already sold.

The average price per square foot is $1,200, but sales have ranged from around $850 to $1,400 per square foot, according to Theran, who would not say whether original listing prices have been lowered.

"People are much slower to make a decision," said Francois Nivaud, a hotel consultant overseeing the financing of Battery Wharf. He expects sales to pick up when the Regent Boston hotel at Battery Wharf opens this summer. "There's no question that the pace has slowed, but those are typical peaks and valleys."

Debra Taylor Blair, president of the Listing Information Network, says it's logical that projects outside of the hot areas of the Back Bay and South End might suffer a bit in a slower market.

"More established neighborhoods in the high-end condo market are doing remarkably well relative to the rest of the market," said Blair. "Areas taking the hits tend to be the new construction in neighborhoods that don't have a strong residential foundation yet."

Newer projects seem to be suffering from the fact that today's buyers are less inclined to purchase units sight-unseen, according to Mark Lippolt, executive vice president and chief administration officer at Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage. Lippolt notes that while sales of high-end condos are strong, inventories are still up compared to recent years.

"Here's where the challenge is," said Lippolt. "Inventory is up compared to where it was the same time last year and that has an impact on the perception of the market and the absorption rate."

According to Lippolt, even luxury prices are negotiable in this market: "We're seeing that there's perhaps a wider spread between asking prices and selling prices. The aggressive initial prices are not being supported by the market."

On the market for 20 months, luxury condo project 45 Province -- which boasts an on-site spa, swimming pool and rooftop garden -- has sold approximately 25 percent of the first 33 units released by the project. The site is slated to have 136 total units and is expected to be complete in the spring of 2009.

Units range in price from $500,000 to $5.5 million. Price per square foot ranges from the mid-$700's to $2,000.

Sales have been "steady" this year at about 1.5 units per month, said David Epstein, president and chief operating officer of The Abbey Group, the developer of 45 Province. Epstein hopes that in the coming months his project will begin selling two to three units per month.

"What you're seeing in this market is that perfectly located and well-designed product is moving -- Back Bay and South End are doing fine," said Jon Gollinger, president of real estate auction firm Accelerated Marketing Partners Inc. in Charlestown.

"But you're going to pay the price if you're not perfect. You start getting deductions in price points and speed of absorption."

Recent condo "auctions," including the Gollinger-orchestrated event at 14-story Folio Boston in the Financial District, which generated about $26 million in sales in less than two hours, also demonstrate the luxury-condo market's vulnerability.

His company is also handling the upcoming condo auction of The Modern in the South End.

At the Intercontinental Boston, about 111 condos have sold out of 130. Those sales total around $160 million, said Kevin Ahearn, president of real estate firm Otis & Ahearn Inc. in Boston. Pricing per square foot has ranged from the mid-$900's to the low $1,000's.

While Ahearn acknowledged that first quarter sales were slower than usual, he said the high-end market in general is "rock solid."

Meanwhile luxury condo development The Clarendon in the Back Bay began selling units recently and to date has 10 of its 100 condos under agreement, according to Robert Beal, president of The Beal Companies LLP in Boston.Beal would not disclose a price range, but real estate brokers say sales have ranged between $675,000 to $4.6 million.

Lisa van der Pool can be reached at lvanderpool@bizjournals.com.
http://www.bizjournals.com/albany/o...s/2008/05/12/story2.html?b=1210564800^1632617
 
Re: Battery Wharf

Reporting sales figures from MLSPIN is useless, actually worse than useless; harmful.

Battery Wharf, for example, never listed its units in MLSPIN, so to accurately assess sales volume, you need to pull data from Suffolk Deeds, or use a reliable source such as The Warren Group or LINK, which tracks ALL sales in ALL neighborhoods, not just agent-assisted sales.

Sales volume slowed-down, but beyond that, this article and the one on the front page of the Globe's business section, are useless.
 
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The most useless stats are the National Association of Realtor's publicity stats/reports. They are all written with rose colored glasses. It's not a coincidence that the NAR's numbers are always, always, always more optimistic and paint a rosier picture of the market than any independent group's research/data.

This is because if you ask a real estate broker how the market is going, there are generally two answers:

1) If the market is very strong: It's GREAT! Now's the time to buy!!!!"
2) If the market is horrible: "It's very good. Now's the the time to buy."
 
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Pfff.

I'll discuss the real estate market with you, whenever you want, Mr pelhamhall ... meet me in some dark alley, come alone.

Your comments are scandalous, borderline libelous!
 
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"You still don't think this looks like a hard hat?"

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"Oh ya? I'll show you, Mr. Toby!"

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What's this I see? An open door? You know Toby's belief system by now!

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Let's put gravity to work, and go downstairs.

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What's this? Some sort of UFO launch pad?

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Yup. There's this missile silo right up there.
Better go upstairs and check it out.

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"Toby Plumbing...Here to fix that sink!"

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No body home.

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Found the sink, anyway. Wonder if there's any beer in the fridge?

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What's out here?

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A Pirate Ship! Toby always wanted to be a Pirate!

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Aw oh! The heat. Toby's parties better be on the other side. Let's see if that will work.

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Yeah, this will do fine.

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Toby better split.
 
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Toby, you've got some pretty big balls just wandering in like that, hard hat or not. Keep it up!
 
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Holy crap Tobyjug!

In years past, the Plymouth County Bar Association would each year nominate a Judge for the so called "Brass Balls" award. It was a very prestigious honor bestowed upon a judge in order to recognize the difficult work in making tough and particularly unpopular decisions that the facts and law required. Now, in these more pc days, it is called the Brass Gavel award.

Anyways, I hereby nominate Tobyjug for the 2008 ArchBoston Brass Balls award for his valiant efforts in obtaining such pictures all while risking his life, limb and liberty.
 
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Thanks! Toby is almost 17 years old.
 
Re: Battery Wharf

Pfff.

I'll discuss the real estate market with you, whenever you want, Mr pelhamhall ... meet me in some dark alley, come alone.

Your comments are scandalous, borderline libelous!

Haha - you forgot to add "by the way, now really IS a great time to buy"

I love real estate agents, my best friend is a real estate agent and I tease him relentlessly about the NAR reports that his office sends out that always seem to contradict any third-party data. It's not like they're guilty of anything, any trade group's job is to support its trade members.

If you really want to know what's going on in this city, there's no greater resource than well-connected real estate agents.
 
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Haha - you forgot to add "by the way, now really IS a great time to buy" I love real estate agents, my best friend is a real estate agent and I tease him relentlessly .../QUOTE]

O.K. This one doesn't apply to Jimbo.

Question: "How do you get a real estate broker off your front step?"

Answer: "Pay for the pizza!"

(Sadly, you can substitute: conveyancing lawyer, architect, morgage broker, title examiner, property inspector....)
 
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From Lopresti Park (near the Maverick T stop)
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Carlton's Wharf
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And they've opened up the sidewalk
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Re: Battery Wharf

Hotel operator leaves luxury waterfront project
Loose ends at Battery Wharf


By Kimberly Blanton, Globe Staff | June 11, 2008

One of the world's premier hotel operators, Regent Hotels & Resorts, is abruptly out of the $300 million luxury Battery Wharf development on Boston's waterfront just before the hotel's scheduled opening this summer.

Regent's departure not only leaves Battery Wharf without a signature operator for its 150-room hotel, but the developers have also lost their provider of top-shelf concierge services to the buyers of the multi-million-dollar condominium units in the building. Without Regent, Battery Wharf may have trouble selling its remaining units, priced from $1 million to $4 million.

Jon Gollinger, chief executive of Accelerated Marketing Partners in Boston, which auctions new unsold condos around the country, said the hotel operator is a crucial part of the package of luxury amenities developers use to market high-end residential condo buildings. On its website, Battery Wharf described the lifestyle available for ultra-rich clients as "utopia engineered."

Without a well-known upscale hotel in the project, "it can create uncertainty" when buyers are asking "what kinds of services is the brand going to deliver me," Gollinger said.

Battery Wharf's difficulties are another sign of a slowdown in downtown Boston's high-end condo market. Previously that market had defied the national downturn in housing by continuing to quickly sell condos at higher and higher prices. In recent years, Boston has experienced a boom in the development of modern, luxury condo buildings that typically offer a level of service associated with fine hotels. These projects, including the elegant 45 Province near the old City Hall, the understated Belvedere near the Prudential Center, and the glass-encased Intercontinental Boston on the waterfront, have also introduced more modern, stylish architecture to the city's residential stock.

The Battery Wharf hotel will now not open until sometime this fall, the second time the opening has been delayed.

In a joint statement, Regent and Battery Wharf said they have "entered into discussions to terminate" their agreement, and blamed "philosophical differences on strategies for the project." Regent spokesman Thomas Polski, declined to comment further.

The condo owners, according to Battery Wharf, can expect to be pampered with 24-hour service that includes personal shopping and babysitting, catering, travel and entertainment arrangements, and dog-walking.

One owner of a Battery Wharf condo, who asked not to be identified by name because he did not want his address identified, said the hotel's completion was falling farther behind the condo building.

Regent operates high-end hotels that mix expensive designs and artwork with extensive personalized services to appeal to wealthy travelers and business people on expense accounts. The Boston hotel is to feature rooms with leather platform beds, bathrooms with marble and rain showers, and high-end audio systems and televisions. It has properties in Beijing, Shanghai, Bal Harbour, Fla., and the Turks and Caicos, and expects to open a new one in the Maldives.

Battery Wharf's builder is Boston developer Harold Theran of Development Management Corp. Theran declined to comment through a spokesman.

In addition to the hotel, Battery Wharf has 105 condominiums, 22 of which have been sold, and 40 more are under agreement, according to a spokesman for the project.

While respectable, particularly in a slowing market, the pace of sales of Battery Wharf's units contrasts with that of another ultra-luxe condo and hotel project, the Mandarin Oriental in Back Bay. That project, on Boylston Street, has sold all of its luxury condos to wealthy buyers attracted to its location, the Mandarin's reputation and to the luxury stores that are part of the project, which is scheduled to open in October.

At Battery Wharf, an interim staff of about 40, some of whom had been employed by Regent, is providing concierge and other services to condo owners. But it does not have the kind of retail offerings planned at the Mandarin.

Hotel industry officials said that because of its premier waterfront location off Commercial Street in the North End, Battery Wharf should not have trouble finding a replacement for Regent.

"In the scheme of things, this isn't a blip on the screen," said Pat Moscaritolo, chief executive of the Greater Boston Convention & Visitors Bureau. Despite the slowing US economy, Moscaritolo said, the tourism business in Boston remains strong.

Longtime Boston hotelier Francois Nivaud, a consultant for Battery Wharf, yesterday said the developers are committed to finding a high-quality replacement for Regent. He also said the hotel delay would not affect the restaurants slated for the project. "The quality of an operator is one thing but more important is the commitment of the ownership to do what they're supposed to do," said Nivaud.

Debra Taylor Blair, president of Listing Information Network Inc., which tracks the downtown Boston condo market, said that prospective buyers are going to want to know what happens next at Battery before putting down millions for a condo.

"The hotel brand is closely tied to the condominium branding," she said. "Anyone looking at that project would want to know what Plan B is."

One of the project's major investors is the AFL-CIO Building Investment Trust, a pool of union pension-fund money that is managed by PNC Realty Investors. PNC Spokesman Pat McMahon said that the project's financial backing "is solid," despite the recent setback with the hotel. "The project is virtually complete," he said.

Another financier, Hypo Real Estate Capital Corp. in New York, did not return calls seeking comment.

Kimberly Blanton can be reached at blanton@globe.com.

Source: http://www.boston.com/business/arti...ator_leaves_luxury_waterfront_project?mode=PF
 
Re: Battery Wharf

Whatever, doesn't matter to us (urban development "enthusiasts", or obsessives, whatever u prefer). If it looks nice on the exterior, that's what matters anyway, its still going to be ultra luxe anyway, rich whiners, what a nice position to be in.
 
Re: Battery Wharf

I wonder what caused the trouble...does anyone know what "philosophical differences" are?

I really love this project by the way, it's gorgeous...fits perfectly with its setting.
 
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It wouldn't surprise me if, like C.C., the developer had been marginalized by fearful investors, who, upon taking control, made things messy. That is the usual extent of "philosophy" in one of these deals. But, as Barb would point out, it is built, and is a real credit to the developer.
 
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Rumor and heresay: Franky Nivaud is famous for the way he impeccably and very specifically runs his hotels.

Meanwhile, the St. Regis people are fastidious stewards of an international brand, where every detail is dictated by the brand standards of the national flag - often right down to which type of flowers can be in a vase on the desk in the lobby.

Oil meet water.

This is not a fight between investors, it's a fight between the hotel flag and the hotel operator.

This is also simply what I heard, not what I know. I want to be clear on that.
 

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