The Hub on Causeway (née TD Garden Towers) | 80 Causeway Street | West End

Re: The Boston Garden (TD Garden Towers) | 80 Causeway Street | West End

This is part of the interior expansion which was announced at the same time but unrelated to anything going on outside with the towers.
 
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Bergeron37 said:
This is part of the interior expansion which was announced at the same time but unrelated to anything going on outside with the towers.
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Not exactly. ESPNBoston reports that the Pro Shop is being repositioned in anticipation of the retail concourse...
 
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Equilibria said:
Not exactly. ESPNBoston reports that the Pro Shop is being repositioned in anticipation of the retail concourse...
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I thought it was being moved because it is about half as big as it needs to be and there is no more space to expand in its current location. I took my son there to get a shirt after a B's game and there was a legit line of at least 20 people waiting to get into the Pro Shop. And that doesn't even get into the nightmare of how tight it is once you actually make your way inside.
 
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Jahvon09 said:
What happened to the other one? Will it still remain where it is? :confused:
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Same garage, new entrance. The old one is in the way of one of the towers. I can't remember if they are reopening it or not once construction is complete.
 
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I think that maybe they'll rip it out and probably put it back after the tower is built. Or while the tower is being built.
 
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I thought it was being moved because it is about half as big as it needs to be and there is no more space to expand in its current location.
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I think it's a Kill Two Birds With One Stone sort of thing. They need to move the pro shop and they need to expand the pro shop. Move it up stairs and build it bigger and you've got a solution to all your officially licensed apparel and nicknack related problems.
 
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Re: The Boston Garden (TD Garden Towers) | 80 Causeway Street | West End

This seems bad for Subway-to-Commuter connections {I've changed the picture to show, in dotted green, the "best" path I can see}

How does the connection from the Green/Orange to the Commuter Rail get made if there's a half-dozen active loading dock slots operating across the sidewalk we use today on "Legends Way"?

Or they dump such connections on to Causeway forcing a "backwards J" (almost U-shaped) walk out to Causeway and back? (or forcing folks across Causeway to the other head house that best serves the Orange line *Outbound*?

You'd think they would have made the Commuter-to-Subway connection a little more direct, and arrayed retail along it.

Or, why are they not obligated to bring the current pedestrian underpass (under Causeway) all the way "under and up" their loading dock???

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^ Absolutely. They BLEW it. Big time.

Here's the original proposal from Post 516 on Page 26. Notice that they completely axed the connection from the T to North Station.

datadyne007 said:
Yes, direct access from Champions Row. Straight shot down the escalators and around the corner.

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The massing of the elevators and the over-abundance of loading dock slots (7!) suggest to me that they either thought (but deleted) or are prepared to really offer the "straight shot" path, depicted in orange below:
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There's just no way they should be able to make tens of thousands of people walk (or get lost!) every day for the convenience of 1 delivery truck.
 
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I don't hate this design but it seems to be a lost opportunity to use such a landmark parcel. Looking at this I see a poor mans TimeWarner Center. The design isn't bad, lord knows it's better than a lot of what's going up around the city, but it is in a place that NEEDS a great gateway building to the city. This isn't it.
 
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vanshnookenraggen said:
I don't hate this design but it seems to be a lost opportunity to use such a landmark parcel. Looking at this I see a poor mans TimeWarner Center. The design isn't bad, lord knows it's better than a lot of what's going up around the city, but it is in a place that NEEDS a great gateway building to the city. This isn't it.
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I'm curious how you think it compares to One Rincon Hill in San Francisco? The buildings seem very similar in terms of their geography (at the end of a bridge, a bit separate from the financial district). I like that building even though it's pretty conservative. This one looks to have a little more bold design in the renderings, but I'm having a hard time picturing it reality. Unlike say Millennium Tower which I pretty much can already tell exactly how it will look.
 
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Lovin' the tallest tower, thin and sexy. 2nd tallest is bloated and mediocre. Street level should be all glass under the tall one, the masonry weighs it down and clashes with the verticality.
 
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Arlington said:
The massing of the elevators and the over-abundance of loading dock slots (7!) suggest to me that they either thought (but deleted) or are prepared to really offer the "straight shot" path, depicted in orange below:\
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This. The cynic in me expects that they want to put a stake in the ground with this layout and especially the extra below grade retail sqf, and then get the city or state to pay them (with tax breaks) to 'reduce' the 'baseline' retail space to enable a direct connection.

Also - below grade grocery - how awesomely European.
 
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I'm lovin' the tall tower as well. It has that 1950's sci-fi vibe.
 
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CSTH said:
Also - below grade grocery - how awesomely European.
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Yes indeed, but if it were truly European, there would be a direct connection from the subway concourse to the grocery store.
 
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Arlington said:
This seems bad for Subway-to-Commuter connections {I've changed the picture to show, in dotted green, the "best" path I can see}

How does the connection from the Green/Orange to the Commuter Rail get made if there's a half-dozen active loading dock slots operating across the sidewalk we use today on "Legends Way"?

Or they dump such connections on to Causeway forcing a "backwards J" (almost U-shaped) walk out to Causeway and back? (or forcing folks across Causeway to the other head house that best serves the Orange line *Outbound*?

You'd think they would have made the Commuter-to-Subway connection a little more direct, and arrayed retail along it.

Or, why are they not obligated to bring the current pedestrian underpass (under Causeway) all the way "under and up" their loading dock???

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I'm not sure your green line is right. Take another look at the basement level. I think the u-turn happens underground, and people come up the escalators facing Causeway. The connection to North Station is 2 right turns once they are aboveground.
 
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vanshnookenraggen said:
I don't hate this design but it seems to be a lost opportunity to use such a landmark parcel. Looking at this I see a poor mans TimeWarner Center. The design isn't bad, lord knows it's better than a lot of what's going up around the city, but it is in a place that NEEDS a great gateway building to the city. This isn't it.
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still would have prefer that one of these were built back in the 80's/90's these modern 60's boxes really suck!
 
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fattony said:
I'm not sure your green line is right. Take another look at the basement level. I think the u-turn happens underground, and people come up the escalators facing Causeway. The connection to North Station is 2 right turns once they are aboveground.
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That's correct. You can see the dotted "X" indicating open to below where he drew the green route coming up from underground.
 
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